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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: INTRODUCE YOURSELF HERE |
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Just post us a quick introduction of who you are, and your hobbies, interests etc, what ever you like. Just so we know a little bit about you. _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
Pathfinders lead where others follow.
But doesn't it make you angry when they copy everything that you do?! |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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I will start it off.
My name is Jeanette, and I work at the local hospital, my interests are all things paranormal, computers and reading. I am one of the core team members for Pathfinders and also help to run the St Helens branch, I book investigations and attend as many meetings as I can, I also do the research on the local St Helens investigations.
I will put a pic on when I get a decent one taken _________________
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sUiCiDe1 Club Member


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Wigan
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: Hi Peeps |
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Just to say hi to all, I'm Chris, interested in most things, me and my wife Banshee have a little New Age shop within Ashton which takes up most of our time, we have 3 children (if thats what you can call them when they are all bigger than you), 1 dog, 2 parrots, enjoy computers, vehicle mechanics, knocking things down and just being a vandal, "Oopps" thats ment to say DIY. anyway enough about me, look forward to meeting all and getting spooked out of my head  |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Chris, welcome to the forum, and cu tomorrow pm, thanks for coming to the meeting it was nice to see you both. I'll look forward to both yours and Linda's posts _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
Pathfinders lead where others follow.
But doesn't it make you angry when they copy everything that you do?! |
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flamestrike Dark Figure


Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 505 Location: Stockport
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Well to throw me into the equation...
Hello my name is Peter and I am an alco (no wrong script damm it *lol*)....
slightly more seriously I am someone with an almost limitless curiosity (thank god I do not have paws and a tail oh and I am hairy not furry) for the unknown... ghosts, people, history, the mind, etc...
I am also someone who is creative, friendly, quirky sense of humor, intrested in the paranormal, roleplaying, scuba diving, a bit of football and any other topic I can sound knowledgeble on *lmao*...
I am a researcher for Pathfinders and if you ever have any questions then shout and I will answer (your right that hairstyle does not suit you ) or pass you to someone in the group that can help...
Oh I did mention the quirky sense of humor didn't I???? _________________ What can I say? |
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thought i'd add mine lol
My name is Lee, I'm 24 work for McDonalds as my full time and yes I am Lovin it pmsl.. Free Food on da House. In my spear time I enjoy web designing, playing computer games and investgating the paranormal..
I am a strong believer in that subject ....
Well speak to ya alll soon, and see u lot on the 2nd |
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goblinglimmer Club Member


Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 155 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey all!!
I'm Marie, 22, living in St. Hell at the mo. I work at cineworld - free films woooo!! (No I wont let it go - love it!)
Among the obvious interests: paranormal, film/music/literature - I love camping and intend to squeeze in as much of it this summer as i can!
Sorry to be short and sweet, never any good at talking about me - tell me about YOU! x |
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| goblinglimmer wrote: | Hey all!!
I'm Marie, 22, living in St. Hell at the mo. I work at cineworld - free films woooo!! (No I wont let it go - love it!)
Among the obvious interests: paranormal, film/music/literature - I love camping and intend to squeeze in as much of it this summer as i can!
Sorry to be short and sweet, never any good at talking about me - tell me about YOU! x |
didn't know you work for the cinema in st helen's lmao, me and my mate paul are always in their on a regular basis, "wink, free tickets, wink" hehe,.. see ya soon Marie .. |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lee Rose wrote: | | goblinglimmer wrote: | Hey all!!
I'm Marie, 22, living in St. Hell at the mo. I work at cineworld - free films woooo!! (No I wont let it go - love it!)
Among the obvious interests: paranormal, film/music/literature - I love camping and intend to squeeze in as much of it this summer as i can!
Sorry to be short and sweet, never any good at talking about me - tell me about YOU! x |
didn't know you work for the cinema in st helen's lmao, me and my mate paul are always in their on a regular basis, "wink, free tickets, wink" hehe,.. see ya soon Marie .. |
Try going in with a few free Macdonalds for Marie  _________________
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeanette wrote: | | Lee Rose wrote: | | goblinglimmer wrote: | Hey all!!
I'm Marie, 22, living in St. Hell at the mo. I work at cineworld - free films woooo!! (No I wont let it go - love it!)
Among the obvious interests: paranormal, film/music/literature - I love camping and intend to squeeze in as much of it this summer as i can!
Sorry to be short and sweet, never any good at talking about me - tell me about YOU! x |
didn't know you work for the cinema in st helen's lmao, me and my mate paul are always in their on a regular basis, "wink, free tickets, wink" hehe,.. see ya soon Marie .. |
Try going in with a few free Macdonalds for Marie  |
your'd be welcome to that lol...... just ask for lee at the counter and I'll be at your service providing you with what ever meal you both fancy for free pmsl.. |
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goblinglimmer Club Member


Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 155 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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LMAO
Instead of McDonalds - make it a chinese and you've yourself free tickets!!  |
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BlackRaven Forum Administrator


Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 993 Location: Newton-le-Willows
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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lol, I'll do both  |
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mark the compost elf Club Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 273 Location: ashton in makerfield
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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hi i m mark, i live in ashton and work as the nurseryman at billinge garden centre. good fun getting covered in compost (soiling myself!!) everyday. oh and i m a vegetarian, i like horticulture in general and love reading.
my main interest is learning about things. i like to find out what i can about whatever i can, especially if its a little on the oddside.
i spend most of my time in a dream world and as such my humour can be very abstact.
i am looking forward to paranormal investigations though! bring on the ghosties!! _________________ all succumb to the compost elf's rotting grip in time ...mwhahahaha cough ha... |
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RisingForce Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 192 Location: Whiston, Merseyside
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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hi risingforce here but got to go my tea is ready may post later bye _________________ MAY THE SHRED BE WITH YOU...... |
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sUiCiDe1 Club Member


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Wigan
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Welcome RisingForce. hope to see more of you on the Forums and the meets etc |
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flamestrike Dark Figure


Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 505 Location: Stockport
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hello and welcome to the site risingforce... My name is Pete and feel free to chat or post anytime you want... (Won't advocate some of my 1-3am postings but working hours and all that *lol*)... _________________ What can I say? |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Hello and welcome to the forum RisingForce, I hope that your next visit is a bit longer. _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
Pathfinders lead where others follow.
But doesn't it make you angry when they copy everything that you do?! |
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Lg Club Member


Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 259 Location: A-I-M
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Evening all.
I've had messages from some of you, Jeanette, Mark, Chris and Linda. HELLO to those of you I've not chatted to before. Hope to see you later this week
My name is Lilian...Lil (but not Lilo LiL or FagAsh LiL grrrrrrr) LOL. I also live in Ashton and work as a PA for the NHS. I look like a dour Scot but I ain't as miserable as I look (honest). I have quite a warped SOH in places but also like all the old stupid jokes e.g Y did the chicken cross the road jokes..I'm old enough to know better but just a big kid at heart....If you wanna play hide n seek or knock door run away....I'm yer woman...only don't run too fast. When the need arises I can be very serious.
Needless to say I'm really interested in the paranormal and am looking forward to joining the group and go to meetings. I can't wait to go on investigations. My partner and I are off to Edinburgh at the end of the month for the weekend. He's agreed to join me on a tour of Mary King's Close and also the Vaults (now that IS spooky that I've got him to say yes.....just not his thing but he knows I want to do it). Now...do I or do I not stand in the stone circle in the vaults????? Part of me really wants to test/risk it. What do you think? I think I just might try it.
Ooops sorry folks....I think I talk too much at times as well.
Lg _________________ What will I find when I get where I'm going? |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Stuart went to the vaults when he went to Edinburgh a few weeks ago, so he's your person to talk to about it, he's also the groups medium. He will be at the Manchester meeting though this week and not the St Helens one, so if he's not noticed your post try sending him a PM you will find him on the forum as Zoom.
Or see what it tells you on this link---
http://www.ghost-n-spectres.co.uk/Edinburgh%20Vaults.htm
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Lg Club Member


Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 259 Location: A-I-M
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for that info Jeanette. I think I will drop Stuart a quick PM and ask his opinion as to whether it's worth trying out standing in the stone circle and how best to prepare myself to be as open as possible to get the most of the visit. I don't want to be overally influenced by what I already know from TV (most haunted)
Lg _________________ What will I find when I get where I'm going? |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think that Stuart will say it's a good idea to go into the circle. In fact I think he would say don't. But never having met you, yet, I don't know if you know anything about protection work.We use it on all our nvestigations and would recomend that before going into any place like that you would need your protection turned on. _________________
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Banshee Club Member

Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 27 Location: Wigan
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I couldn't agree more with you Jeanette about protection, that's sound advice. You wouldn't go out for the day and leave all your house doors open, you never know who may just walk in - same goes when you do any type of spiritual work, if you don't protect you have no idea what may just be waiting.
If you are not sure how to protect yourself Lil, just come into the shop and I'll help you through it. _________________ When you hear the Wail, it's too late too run.....
You don't know it yet, but i am on to you..... |
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Lg Club Member


Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 259 Location: A-I-M
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice folks. I have sent Stuart a PM. I know that I need to ask my doorkeeper for protection. I've been practicing this.
I've been asking my doorkeeper, spirit guide and those who have passed who love me to help me learn, understand and protect me. I do struggle to envisage white light tho (altho I do imagine a distance round my self of a foot or so - as I imagine my personal space to be).
Have I forgot anything or am I doing it wrong?
Speak you to soon.
LiL  _________________ What will I find when I get where I'm going? |
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Dems Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1433 Location: Whiston, Merseyside.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Donna (dems) here, I work in Asda Huyton (for my sins, lol), I've had a huge interest in the paranormal for as long as I can remember (I caught it off my Dad) Another huge passion of mine is LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB, I also like Rock Music (mainly Old Skool), local history, camping, my dog, Poppy, my cat Charlie and last but not least my beautiful grandson Kaden (nearly 5 months old, he's soooo cute),not forgeting my daughters Jennie and Laura and RisingForce (Mike, my partner) look forward to meeting you all/more of you at further investies/meetings.  |
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mark the compost elf Club Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 273 Location: ashton in makerfield
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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welcome dems....hope you enjoy the forum _________________ all succumb to the compost elf's rotting grip in time ...mwhahahaha cough ha... |
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Dems Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1433 Location: Whiston, Merseyside.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks MTCE  |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Donna welcome to the forum. _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
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Dems Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1433 Location: Whiston, Merseyside.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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SerpentRose Club Member

Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Warrington
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hi my name is Linda (SerpentRose) I am a very new member 14 04 2007.
I have long been interested in all things paranormal and would like to open myself more fully to any gifts I may have.
I have loads of questions, I have learned to be cautious over the years!. I don't normally go looking for 'events' to happen they seem to find me, mostly when something is going to happen I will dream of loved ones who have passed on and who speak to me or are just with me, or I will smell flowers in just one spott in a room even though there is nothing to account for it. I sometimes hear half whispers but I want to be sure it is not me going mad.
I would not describe myself as having any particular gift, however I can't deny there have been some odd happenings throughout the years.
Question? Does paranormal phemonina happen more strongly when the reciever has experienced shock or trauma or is that persons abiity always there but has just been hightened by shock etc?
I look forward to learning how to become more open to what I know is real, to harness my awareness for good and to experience and understand it in a more determined way.
Linda _________________ SerpentRose |
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Dems Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1433 Location: Whiston, Merseyside.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the forum Linda, enjoy  |
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| SerpentRose wrote: | Hi my name is Linda (SerpentRose) I am a very new member 14 04 2007.
I have long been interested in all things paranormal and would like to open myself more fully to any gifts I may have.
I have loads of questions, I have learned to be cautious over the years!. I don't normally go looking for 'events' to happen they seem to find me, mostly when something is going to happen I will dream of loved ones who have passed on and who speak to me or are just with me, or I will smell flowers in just one spott in a room even though there is nothing to account for it. I sometimes hear half whispers but I want to be sure it is not me going mad.
I would not describe myself as having any particular gift, however I can't deny there have been some odd happenings throughout the years.
Question? Does paranormal phemonina happen more strongly when the reciever has experienced shock or trauma or is that persons abiity always there but has just been hightened by shock etc?
I look forward to learning how to become more open to what I know is real, to harness my awareness for good and to experience and understand it in a more determined way.
Linda |
Welcome Linda, hope you enjoy your stay
Love your username the last word Rose is also my last name lol.. |
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SerpentRose Club Member

Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Warrington
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dems, I am sure I will. I have got a ticket for the Army Barracks investigation, so I am really looking forward to that.
Goodnight
Linda _________________ SerpentRose |
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BlackRaven Forum Administrator


Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 993 Location: Newton-le-Willows
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi Linda, welcome to the forum.
Have you paid for membership to the group as well by the way. _________________ The living are haunting the dead!!
My Pagan Paths UK forum - My Red Dwarf Forum |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Linda, welcome to the forum. I remember you as one of Elaines friends even if Steve doesn't
I look forward to getting to know you more at the metings and the coming investigation, which isn't long off now  _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
Pathfinders lead where others follow.
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BlackRaven Forum Administrator


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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly I'm at work and don't carry a membership list around with me.
Also, I wasn't introduced in person. _________________ The living are haunting the dead!!
My Pagan Paths UK forum - My Red Dwarf Forum |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackRaven wrote: | Sadly I'm at work and don't carry a membership list around with me.
Also, I wasn't introduced in person. |
Ok I'll let you off then sorry _________________
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Hazel Club Member


Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 477 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, my name is Hazel,
I live in Haydock and have been here roughly 5 years, work as a "help desk administrator" at Pilkingtons, but mainly deal with subbies and invoices. "sorry no free burgers or cinema tickets here"
Since moving up north I have met some really great people who have become very close friends. In the short time I have joined this forum I feel part of a close family group and its great to be part of it.
I am really looking forward to the next investigation, it will be my first and have always dreamed what it would be like, I feel I would be very brave and fearless but sure I will prove myself wrong and be the first to scream
Look forward to meeting you all, I'll be the 6ft shy lanky one ... you can't miss me. _________________ Hazel x |
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BlackRaven Forum Administrator


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Dems Club Member


Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1433 Location: Whiston, Merseyside.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Hazel, welcome to the forum, and look forward to meeting you too, and we don't bite (well, BlackRaven might ) |
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Lee Rose Ectoplasm

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 452 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Hello Hazel
Welcome to the forum, look forward to meeting you at the investigation along with other new members...... |
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Hazel Club Member


Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 477 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys  _________________ Hazel x |
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mark the compost elf Club Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 273 Location: ashton in makerfield
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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welcome hazel and serpent rose i look forward to meetimng you both soon. _________________ all succumb to the compost elf's rotting grip in time ...mwhahahaha cough ha... |
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shazam Club Member


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 1351 Location: merseyside.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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From one Linda to another , welcome. and Welcome Hazel too. have a great time. _________________ yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away, now they look as if theyre here to stay, now i believe in yesterday. |
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Jeanette Co-Ordinator/Researcher


Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2341 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Hazel welcome to the forum hope to see you at an investigation/meeting soon _________________
" Come with us, if you dare"
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But doesn't it make you angry when they copy everything that you do?! |
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sUiCiDe1 Club Member


Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 139 Location: Wigan
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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A Big welcome to all who I have not said welcome to up to now  |
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SerpentRose Club Member

Joined: 14 Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Warrington
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi everyone!
I am SO looking forward to Saturday night 28 April. I hope Elaine knows where to go!!!
Thanks Hazel for asking about what to take on investigations it will help me to decide how big of a rucksack to take!!! I love egg butties, I promise I won't take any!!
Yes, I have paid my dues - I will introduce myself to you a.s.a.p..
Thanks Jeanette for remembering, but if I do owe you anything please let me know. Elaine is my sister by the way.
Sorry I have not been on-line to respond to all welcomes - thank you to all. I look forward to meeting and getting to know you all.
Lee Rose - Thankyou -SerpentRose is really the meaning of my name 'Linda' which comes from the Germanic Lindi meaning wise serpent and the Spanish meaning beautiful rose.
See you alll soon!!
SerpentRose _________________ SerpentRose |
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Banshee Club Member

Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 27 Location: Wigan
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there Serpent Rose and welcome from another Linda _________________ When you hear the Wail, it's too late too run.....
You don't know it yet, but i am on to you..... |
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Scouse Ectoplasm


Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 208 Location: Prescot,Merseyside
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| Hi everyone,i'm Rosie and i'm sure you all know me by now.I normally just sit and read everyone else's comments so thought i best write a little about myself.I'm 23 and live in Prescot with my partner Andy(flash).I'm a stay at home mum with my 2 boys but sometimes it's more of a full time job! Aswell as baking and selling cakes,so if anybody need s a cake for any occassion- give me a shout! I enjoy reading,cooking and anything to do with the paranormal. |
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^Jesse^ Orb


Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 13 Location: St Helens
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Hello |
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Hi people,
I just wanted to say hello. Hopefully once my leg is all healed and better I shall be joining you guys and becoming more involved.
Thanks BR for introducing me to this place.
xxxJesse xxx _________________ Amazing things come in small packages... So does arsenic!! |
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